Very sad. It is disaster for the PR sector, as Google News is our main tool to collect pieces of coverage from our clients. Sure, we can (and we do) rely on the "normal" searches, as well as other paid services for that task, but honestly, Google News always was extremely useful.
Well done Google. If the Spanish government and old-style media want to go back to the Middle Age, this is what they will get. I really hope they come to their senses and suspend that nonsense law.
Well done Google. If the Spanish government and old-style media want to go back to the Middle Age, this is what they will get. I really hope they come to their senses and suspend that nonsense law.
Well done! The Spanish media lobby deserves the future consequences of this decision and hopefully they will learn something about how the internet works after all...
Como español, y usuario de google news, siento el cierre de este servicio, y todo por culpa de una ley estúpida que solo busca recaudar dinero. Gran decisión por parte de google de cerrar el servicio y no colaborar en esta estafa.
It's really a very sad day for internet in Spain. He has won the greed of some media and the shortsightedness of the government. And the worst of all it's that every media, blog, big or small, etc are going to be the real losers.
This seems like a very dumb law... The Spanish links will not only be removed from google news, but even places like Facebook and news portals like dailyslate.com bad news for everyone!
Now you should also desindex all the newspapers that belong to that lobby called AEDE. They don't want to appear on Google without being payed (while they spent thousands in SEO).
Very sad news, but it's a natural side efect of that law. I hope the law will soon be retired when our goverment see they have made that amount of damage (to everyone) and exactly 0 profit. Will be avaliable the news and posts from Spain in Google News from any other country?
Well, I for one, love Google News. It's an egalitarian way to access news around the world without having to sift through several news sites. Pity the Spanish public will lose access, I guess some folks like to cut off their nose to spite their face.
Well, I for one, love Google News. It's an egalitarian way to access news around the world without having to sift through several news sites. Pity the Spanish public will lose access, I guess some folks like to cut off their nose to spite their face.
It's really sad indeed! Our politicians and publishers in Spain have a serious problem understanding how citizens use the Internet and how they can take advantage of it. That's why we have to cope with laws like this that make no sense at all. I hope they eventually realize they are wrong and repeal such rule.
Sad news for the spanish user but great reaction on your part. That law is the silliest i've ever seen and it will turn against the ones who created it :)
We, the people from Spain who are interested in technology, freedom and information, fell very sad about this particular thing and, in general, for this shameless and reactionary goverment of thieves we have that is triying hard to get Spain in to the 19th century (or later) again. Please, don't identify this corrupt goberment with the people of Spain. I think, if we are not so stupid, this people will never rule the country again.
Maybe one should consider a view from the other side of the story. Google is a huge company which dominates the search market in a way never seen before. This may be the result of good work by the Google engineers, but the whole Google business is based on information they do not own or create. Google claims that the news media which deliver content to Google, get traffic to their pages in return. But it is worth a discussion wether the traffic which Google gives to the news contributors equals the worth the news contributors give to Google. This is highly doubtable. In Germany Google makes an annual revenue of estimated 3.5 to 4 billion € per year, while all news pages together make around 500 millions a year, less than 15% of the Google revenue. Okay, Google does not make its revenues solely out of news, but getting the latest news is a very important reason for using Google. I want to know if the wife of King Feilipe is pregnant - I search in Google and expect to get some search results in credibile media. Google claims that they deliver you the best answer to everything you want to know. Should Google exclude all relevant media pages from their search results, Google would lose much of its usefulness. Google behaves as if they could not afford to pay their sources. This is not true. They are bathing in money - for sure they can afford. They could also afford to pay a considerable amount of taxes in the countries they are operating in. It is a shame that they do not to that.
Thumbs up! ... there will and there was a time before and after google news. Meta search engines filtered by news sources wasnt an invention by google - maybe just a fault by krishna bharat that he didnt know about existing news search engines... engines that are not existing anymore because Google forced his market power to kill other competitors - in a way that is completly unfair - or what would google say about an advertising system that enables the advertiser to place free commercial ads and where the publisher earns three time more like on adsense? no advertise and no publisher would use the google eco system...
This is a foolish position Frank as publishers do not have to allow Google to index and link to their content. Yet they volunteer to do so of their own free will. If someone gives YOU something for free should you be compelled by the Government to pay them? That is silly.
I think you misunderstood everything or just didn't read the article at all. Google Search, the profitable service, is not going down in Spain. What's going down is Google News, which doesn't have ads and isn't profitable. Of course Google News adds value to Google, but not money, and that's one of the reasons why it's not viable to pay AEDE's members. I think other reason could be to make an statement, but that's another issue. The other thing you seam to misunderstand is how Google spiders work. If some site doesn't want some of its pages indexed by Google Search, it is just a matter of configuring robots.txt to not allow indexing of these pages. Of course it's like shooting their own feet, but it is simple as that.
Bravo! for Google, a defeat for those who try to set limits to the Internet. To spanish readers: install AEDE blocker (Chrome extension) and join the fight: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/aede-blocker/olfbaiingdbeoihdemklgmakblhcgpmn?hl=es
What do you expect from a corrupt and negligent government ??? The whole Spain is a shame. As always happens in this country, when they want to change the nosense laws, it is too late. We are leading by incompetent people. OUTRAGED !!!!!
Hay veces que siento vivir en el año 1549. Gobernantes dinosaurios, cuando no entienden una tecnologia la prohiben o la acotan. Pero amigos, no hay quien le ponga barreras a internet , esta mas que demostrado.
And What happens to Softonic?. Why every time I tried to find a Software, Google ALWAYS show me several Softonic pages on search results and the same query.
De un gobierno de imbéciles y corruptos sólo pueden esperarse leyes imbéciles fruto de esa corrupción. Espero que ésta decisión de Google ayude a barrer de la faz de la Tierra a éstos impresentables. Bien hecho, Google, espero que volváis pronto.
In Spain we have a saying, en el pecado llevan la penitencia (In the sin they carry the penance). The editor's guild that has shamelessly lobbied the government will be gravely hurt by its own blind greed.
This law is totally unfair, as it does away with citation rights, which have been always fallen under "fair use".
Moreover, it states that compensation to media is compulsory and non renounceable. This was made to avoid a situation similar to that in Germany, where many publishers renounced so as not to lose links and traffic from G News.
Also, the compensation is supposed to be set and managed by some obscure media association, a setup not unlike SGAE´s (Spanish RIAA) racket.
Finally, it jeopardises the existance of local media agregators like Meneame (spanish Digg.com), services like Flipboard and Pulse and is so ambiguous that it is not clear if it is applicable to services like Twitter and Facebook.
If the government believes that Google is abusing its domininant position (a legitimate concern), that should be a matter of the Competence Authorities (which, by the way, have already officially expressed their opposition to this law)
There´s one thing for sure, I´ll be reading far less Spanish media once news.google.es is shut down.
Finally, I´m making use of the once uncontested citation right to recommend and excellent article on the matter (in spanish) by Menéame´s founder:
Da vergüenza ser español hoy en día, debemos de ser el hazmerreir de toda Europa. Sólo vamos en cabeza en corrupción y pobreza, y en la cola en calidad de democracia. Nuestros políticos son mezquinos y unos incompetentes. No saben el tiro en el pie que se han dado con esta ley, aquí perdemos todos. La culpa es de AEDE y del gobierno del PP y de todos los que han apoyado esta ley. Ashamed to be spanish :(
Mi pregunta es, SI VIVIMOS EN DEMOCRACIA, PORQUE NO SE HA PREGUNTADO A TODOS LOS USUARIOS DE NEWS EN ESPAÑA ANTES DE SACAR UNA LEY QUE ACABARÁ CON PUESTOS DE TRABAJO?
Que verguenza de país, estoy indignado. Yo no quiero ese canon o impuesto y ahora me quedo sin visitas. This is Spain, politicuchos caciques franquistas que solo quieren cobrar impuestos para llevárselos a Suiza. Bien hecho por parte de google, pero esperemos que se acabe pronto y cedan los Hitlerianos y Franquistas que "gobiernan" España.
Mi pregunta es, SI VIVIMOS EN DEMOCRACIA, PORQUE NO SE HA PREGUNTADO A TODOS LOS USUARIOS DE NEWS EN ESPAÑA ANTES DE SACAR UNA LEY QUE ACABARÁ CON PUESTOS DE TRABAJO?
Que verguenza de país, estoy indignado. Yo no quiero ese canon o impuesto y ahora me quedo sin visitas. This is Spain, politicuchos caciques franquistas que solo quieren cobrar impuestos para llevárselos a Suiza. Bien hecho por parte de google, pero esperemos que se acabe pronto y cedan los Hitlerianos y Franquistas que "gobiernan" España.
Que verguenza de país, estoy indignado. Yo no quiero ese canon o impuesto y ahora me quedo sin visitas. This is Spain, politicuchos caciques franquistas que solo quieren cobrar impuestos para llevárselos a Suiza. Bien hecho por parte de google, pero esperemos que se acabe pronto y cedan los Hitlerianos y Franquistas que "gobiernan" España.
Why not also remove Spanish publication sites from Google Search? After all, they could also charge that searches that turn up their content will also need payment.
Well, apart of those blaming law and so, I would like to ask something related to this: "we’ll remove Spanish publishers from Google News, and close Google News in Spain." 1) Will you remove all Spanish publishers? 2) Will you remove spanish publishers from Google News worldwide so they won't appear onto, f.ex. in Google News Argentina? 3) Will you keep spanish publisher in organic results? With or without QDF? Thank you!
The ultraconservative Spanish government is as a nightmare on Genova Street. This is other crazy law from the Francoist authors of "you have to pay by use solar energy".
I'm curious to see how this will do in the long term and I have to disagree with you on one thing : google news doesn't help newspapers to build their leadership, it helps google to build its own leadership/monopoly before switching to a non-free business model.
As always the important information is the one not written.
Cuando el afán recaudador de los 'insaciables en términos económicos', es impredecible, pues No existe otra opción que condenar esta actitud, puesto que perjudica no sólo a los intereses de Google, sino que también perjudica a todos los ciudadanos que utilizamos los servicios de los editores de Google. ¡¡ Basta ya de tanta ambición recaudadoraq !!
How sad that Google can't continue to make money on content that others have produced. Tell me, O' disruptive innovators of Silicon Valley, does news not cost any money to produce? Do the reporters work for free?
Of course having to pay even the tiniest price for content is so very, very not sustainable, poor little Google just cannot afford it. You could of course use a tiny fraction of all your illicit gains from tax dodging to pay the content producers? Or just not include the snippets and use just the headline? Or would it be that horrible for Google if news publishers would get advertisement revenue on their own sites for their own content?
Sed consecuentes con vuestras ideas y bloquead de vuestro buscador todos los resultados que envien a los medios de comunicación que apoyen esta aberración contra la información y robo hacía el pobre ciudadano español, cada vez más ahogado en impuestos, cada vez con menos empleo, con menos futuro, con menos libertad, pero más y más impuestos. Sois muchísimos más poderosos que los lamentables medios de comunicación españoles y podeis hacer medidas de presión muy superiores a esta (que os lo agradecemos de corazón, muchísimas gracias por todo lo que google ofrece) Retirad google adds a estos medios de comunicación tambien sería una jugada maestra. Son medios que caeran y morirán por su propio peso, la gente joven apenas vemos la televisión, usamos internet para informarnos, para nuestro ocio, incluso para nuestras relaciones, y Google es sinónimo de internet. Si de verdad vais a echar un pulso a este grupo de sinvergüenzas tened por seguro que vais a ganar y que tendreis todo nuestro apoyo. Una vez más, gracias.
Hopefully the US government will soon split Google into several companies to avoid the quasi monopoly the company now holds globally without paying proper taxes --"Do no evil" is a a moral statement, not a legal one, on that count Google has deceived its users. Google News might not profit directly, but other services do, enormously, profiting from other people's work. Read Lanier.
Instead of making them pay a tax for this particular service, they should do the same UK has done. Make Google pay taxes in Spain instead of letting them do it in Ireland.
As a Spanish internet user since 1993, I support Google 100%. Our country has been hijacked by retards without any formation, coming from backgrounds (if any) like construction or lawyers without other experience than that of their own political party. They are very nervous and try to control something they don't understand (go figure, no one in our government speaks English, they are happy in their torero and siesta world).
I suggest Google to de-index all news sites also from the main search engine, to at most post a link to the newspaper homepage, and just wait 5 days until our government shamelessly revoke the law.
Newspapers like www.20minutos.es, that license ALL THEIR CONTENT under Creative Commons License, are outraged because this is a true censorship and the European Union should ban it right away.
1. Mantener Google News sin noticias originadas en medios españoles. 2. Eliminar de los resultados de Google cualquier referencia a páginas web de medios españoles.
1. Keep Google News without nows with origin in spaniards news companies. 2. Delete any Google results of spaniards news companies.
Well done, Google. Just keep in mind this law has nothing to do with Spanish people, it's just something cooked by politicians and editors, and a consequence of some lobby pressure. Spanish internet users we're hoping to get this service back once this crazy law gets ruled out. Hope that happens soon.
Congratulations Google. As a user of Google News I believe it's a great source of news. My daily dose when I was looking for some news. I will continue using the other international sources and will read less spanish media. They will be really affected for this measure and loose a lot of revenue and traffic that was coming to their websites through Google News. Hope with a change of goverment this new will be pushed back.
@"and the vast majority choose to be included for very good reason"
The good reason beeing that Google has monopoly on access to information and on deciding who is seen and who is not seen in the Internet. It's like surrendering to a terrorist for a "very good reason" that you want to survive.
Even if it's not obvious, it is in fact a VERY GOOD THING (sorry to be the "bad guy").
Let's think about it for a few seconds: news cost money - at least to pay professional journalists. Newspapers -either paper or digital- are the ONLY WAY until now to get money from buyer to pay journalists (please: don't talk about "advertising"). But if people keep on reading news for free on google-news and without buying newspaper, who will pay for journalists???
On the other side, Google doesn't really give news "for free"... but "for datas about readers"... datas used to sell adversitising. So, in this game, Google earn YOUR DATAs and journalists and newspaper earn nothing!!! This can't be a sustainable model for the news ecosystem... at least if you want honnest news from independant journalists and not only company-PR news...
Todavía no se ha llegado entender hasta qué nivel puede afectar esta Ley. Google News es una de las afectadas, pero realmente los más afectados somos los ciudadanos, pues dejaremos de ver por canales multidisciplinares enlaces a noticias por el mero hecho de que legalmente es preciso pagar por ellas, y mucha de la información ofrecida en Internet es libre y gratuita, y más en lo referente a las noticias.
Creo que deberían haber acordado la posibilidad de renuncia al cobro del canon, y de esta forma lo más seguro es que los grandes medios hubiesen renunciado a este derecho, pues más pierden ellos al perder una forma gratuita de publicidad.
Esta es solo una de ellas pero, ¿alguien nota también demasiadas incoherencias en muchas de las nuevas Leyes que se publican últimamente?
I like Google News as well but it's a bit disconcerting how much 3rd party content is now being displayed on the news page, as well as the normal search page. Over recent years Google has begun to move from simply displaying relevant links to actually displaying the content from these sites. Do a search for currency conversions and you get a converter directly on the Google results. Search for Alexander Hamilton and you will receive content about him pulled from Wikipedia without even having to go to Wikipedia's website. Most content providers, Wikipedia not included, make their revenue from traffic to the site. If people can view their content without ever having to leave Google then they are basically giving away their product for free. Google should work to make sure content providers are adequately compensated and not strong-arm them by removing their sites from the worlds largest search engine. Maybe if all countries do as Spain has done they will be forced to come up with a compromise that protects journalists and publishers as there would be no Google News without these people.
I am SO glad I'm planning to move out of this hellhole country soon. I fail to understand how people can let their rights be trampled on just because of greedy corporations and stupid politicians...
I am very glad that Google is going to remove their listings.
I think they should Google should also charge all Spanish Government and Media Websites a yearly fee of Ten Million Euros each if they want to have their website to be listed in the Google Search Engine.
The Spanish politicians are basically trying to control the internet which goes against all the principles of freedom.
Their desire is greater than sense and will backfire spectacularly in an economic way.
Google News is a fantastic service and I use it every day.
Fault of AEDE and the spanish goverment. We'll see in a few months how the goverment abolish that stupid law or we should "compensate" AEDE for their "loses" (as with Castor, yep).
As a suggestion, maybe it is a good idea to check the legal problems involved in google news and analyze the spanish intellectual property law, international WIPO treaties on copyright and some case law from the ECJ. this is not an easy question and in order to build an objective opinion you should check the exclusive rights confer to authors, for instance the exclusive right of reproduction, communication to the public.... I am not saying that this is a good solution to this conflict but people cannot just criticise without any knowledge of copyright.
I love how Google always plays the innocent victim, yet behind the scenes behaves like a run-of-the-mill monopoly. Sure, they maybe make no money off of the snippets indirectly, but that's not to say the service doesn't drive traffic to sites which they get some ad revenue etc. The Spanish Law, while may or may not be the most sustainable choice, at least on the surface looks like it is meant to protect someone else's interests (i.e. besides Google's).
What do you expect from a nation that effectively taxes sunshine (i.e., install solar cells and you must pay a tax on electricity your own property generates)?
Well -- you are all upset about this, but one day when your entire lives are mechanized and you are nothing but a mere bot, you will appreciate Spain staying Spain, where afternoon nap is more important than a 3 hour meeting in the afternoon after the pasta I was fed at the free company cafeteria is putting me to sleep anyways.
Good News..... who needs them... Google news is a compilation of articles from any source that agrees with there ideology. Google censors what is available in their search and ignores any information deemed inappropriate (as they will likely do to this post). Major news stories are ignored in preference to what THEY wish to trend. A willing and most able promoter of the progressive movement trying to build a new world order using the same methods as communist China while decrying China's use of the same style censorship. Ironic but really unimportant as no one who looks for information on the issues of today seeks answers from google anyway.
I see several comments saying Google unfairly takes from the news sites and therefore the spanish law is justified. That may very well be true. in fact, I think Google does benefit disproportionally from other peoples work. But this logic fails to consider that the news creators themselves should decide what Google can do with their intellectual property. Not a spanish bureaucrat.
Google is a political arm of the US Democrat party. It has consistently removed url's from conservative news outlets without explanation. Google News is biased. It intentionally lacks full context to a news story. It decides what is news and what is not news. I applaud the Spanish government for cracking down on these fascist media giants.
lo que google tiene que hacer es banear para siempre a todos los integrates de aede, tanto del news como del buscador asi como cuaquier enlace que aunte a sus dominios
Can anyone clarify what they mean by 'shutting down Google News in Spain'?
I live in Spain and use news.google.co.uk. Google aren't going to block my Spanish IP address are they??? I'll still be able to use Google News (just not see any Spanish publications)?
Socialists are always looking for new ways to rip off people and companies. They don't think about or care about the consequences, and they spend the 'projected' money before they get it. They ASSume Google will just pay it.
In the US, cities have put huge taxes on cigarettes, and spend the projected revenue. They don't understand that people have choices, and some will choose to buy their cigarettes outside of the city where they can save 20% or more.
Simple... someone in in New York or Miami or Mountain View needs to create a newspaper about local issues in Spain all "publishing" to be done in the U.S. Sign up some "foreign" correspondants who happen to live in Madrid and Barcelona. Problem solved !
Links are what make the web work. I don't understand why anyone would want to pull links to their own site. In their greed and ego they are only destroying themselves.
Yo os hago una propuesta, seguid mostrando medios cuya licencia de información sea CC (Creative Commons), y otros medios que aunque no tengan licencia CC os permitan gratuitamente compartir su información dando su permiso a través de un registro del mismo servicio de Google News...
Yo os hago una propuesta, seguid mostrando medios cuya licencia de información sea CC (Creative Commons), y otros medios que aunque no tengan licencia CC os permitan gratuitamente compartir su información dando su permiso a través de un registro del mismo servicio de Google News...
hey guys stop blaming europe goverments etc... , you wanna know why spains, and almost every country in europe is starting to put laws like that, becouse thanks to greedy google and theis fiscality engineers they pay almost nothing in taxes in europe. that is what is really embarrasing, and they came as a freedom liberty and you loose spanish, in this communicate, come on google, come ooooon.
Next time you support a minimum wage law remember this law and Google's reaction. This is nothing more than a minimum wage law for news. And what you get in response is no news at all. Hope you're happy.
There are many search engine websites to choose from. And some sites will not track you or record your IP address and give it to the NSA. Ixquick and duckduckgo will respect your privacy, google does NOT respect your privacy.
seems like the unemployment rate would soon climb to 35%. such a beautiful country with amazing people but i am sorry to say that this is what destiny awaits for us. we've to change our mind and think out of the box and only then we would start to say the rat of hope and prosperity
Genius politicians who invented the Internet should fix its micropayments/rights problems , not just ban actions that may be useful to wider society in finding information. It will not affect politicians because they can pay their PR staff to find news stories.
Wake up sleepers; this is part of government restricting your access to information.
Notice that the main hit is on small news sources and bloggers - and who do you think is most likely to raise questions about the government?
The answer is obvious: Small news sources and bloggers aren't sold-out to the government. One look at America's MSM tells the story; the MSM is one long cover-up of government criminality.
It is the "alternative" web-based media that are breaking the big stories, and revealing what is actually happening in the world.
Frankly, I'm amazed that the Spanish people haven't pulled a repeat of the French Revolution and brought out the guillotines to use on the corrupt politicians that have turned your nation into a cesspool of poverty.
Seriously, how can you allow these sell-outs of the best for Spain in favor of their own personal wealth from the world's oligarchs, and criminal banksters?
The "Silence of the Spanish" - led like lambs to the Euro slaughter will go down in history as an inexplicable surrender of a people to a small elite of self-centered, psychotic sociopaths who could not care less about the life and dignity of the nation's population.
Remember, in every formation of dictatorship, the first casualties are the sources of freedom through information.
By allowing this law, you have surrendered yourselves to slavery.
You took the chains, and closed the locks with your own hands. -30-
Concentrators do have an impact on the national discussion and can influence public opinion. If Spanish national government can't control it, then that's it then isn't it?
Nice... online since 1999 with original content (news & interviews) and now this... More than 50% of our traffic come from Google (& GoogleNews) (we don´t have ads and our sponsors don´t look for 'hits' but that´s disgusting) :\
Yes, Google "News" doesn't make any money but their ad targeting division makes a HUGE amount of money on this kind of stuff. If you notice the Google press release cleverly says "as google news itself makes no money..." That said, does the Spanish government need to protect spanish news groups from their own stupidity? Apparently so..
If Google wants to report the news, they should hire journalists. Newspapers and journalism is going down because of so-called "news organizations" stealing/linking the news paid journalists are writing. Good job Spain!
If I jumped in a cab and asked the driver where I could buy some pants and the driver suggested some stores, I picked one, then the taxi drove me to there, does that store deserve a cut of the taxi driver's income? Absolutely not. The store should pay the taxi driver for driving a customer to their store.
Pretty quickly they will find their news sites with few customers because Google will no longer be driving customers to them.
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For the (very few) people claiming that Google can and should pay for the snippets: Google is a company, so its target are profits. If paying the publishers in Spain was going to generate a sustainable profit (direct or indirect), they would have paid the fees. I may be wrong, but IMO, shutting down News in Spain seems a clear proof that the request was not reasonable.
YOU HAVE THE SAME GOVERNMENT PROBLEMS AS WE DO HERE IN THE USA. WHY DO THE CITIZENS ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN AND THEN SOON 'DICTATORSHIP' BECAUSE WE CAN'T STOP THEM. IS THIS HOW HISTORY WORKS?
This is why Spain in particular, but Europe in general, have become less and less relevant over the last two centuries. Rather than adjust business models to the new dynamics of technology, these are the people who would compel customers to continue buying buggy-whips long after they'd lost their usefulness. Sadly, of late, it seems that the US will soon head this direction too, and what you discover is that a bunch of old goons who have cronies in government serve only themselves, while the brighter, younger, folk who have the better ideas lack only the philosophical clarity and consistency to defeat them.
Europe has tried to salvage its relevance through forming the EU, but that's a shoddy, self-defeating model. Just as Spain is one of the boat-anchors that will drag the EU under, so is it a key indicator of the direction the old gang will take things.
I am not personally a big fan of Google or Google News, finding their bias much to my disliking, but I also know that the sorts of laws that are made to control, like this preposterous law, do nothing but damage to all concerned in the long run. Spain and any news emanating from within it will have become less relevant to the world, and its citizens will look to offshore sources for news and information. Their best and their brightest will rightly flee to other venues. Spain will find itself descending into the muck of an historical bog, taking its unwilling populace with it, where decay, already the dominant economic force, will combine with a social and cultural rot to completely wreck a nation.
Is there anything interesting happening in Spain today? The answer will soon be, to all those outside its borders: "Who knows?" Not long after, it will change to "Who cares?"
These are the laws formulated by the old mindsets within a nation in firm and final decline. I beg of my fellow Americans to take note, and learn. Lately, we've been doing much the same.
Give it some time to our ignorant government, in order to understand about the real consequences of this law. The newspapers associated with the greedy AEDE are going to suffer an important loss of traffic and, you know: money ALWAYS talks. For some PR companies, the closure of Google News is going to be dramatic.
So please, again: do not **forget** Spain, do not close the door and be patient.
As one poster mentioned earlier this is not a Google specific law, we are just reading their response. Any site who posts a link to a news article would be taxed. That is insane, but for our friends in Spain we did enjoy having you participate in the world wide information exchange until this point.
On a side note, does this mean I can't ask Geeves anything while in Spain for fear of a tax man showing up?
I am about sick of social dictatorships in Europe constantly attacking good companies like Google and Amazon.
These corporations actually create jobs and wealth within Europe.
Why should they pay tax to a government to waste and squander when the company can use the money to give another person a good job.
I have spoken to my friends about this and all of them support Google and not the governments.
If a company has to pay £100 000 tax bill and they say, well we can actually give a person a job with that money, the nasty EU politicians would rather deny the person a job and condemn them to a life of socialist benefits.
The EU is motivated by hatred of success rather than doing what is actually good for people.
Google is completely right to stand up to the Spanish politicians.
Spain is not the only country in Europe aiming for Google. The EU commission is even talking about "breaking up" Google in a completely misguided attempt to "protect" European companies that don't even exist. In fact it is likely that heavy behind the scenes lobbying of US competitors of Google is behind this, as there are many that have been a lot less successful with their search engines. The internet is one of the few things that have developed so fast that politicians and bureaucrats have been unable to regulate it to death yet, as they have done with almost every other industry. But they are trying to catch up now.
Does Spain still exist? No matter. Spain was already totally irrelevant to the rest of the world. I believe news will be precisely the same, without them.
I wonder what the very foolish government in Spain is going to do when Facebook decides they should support Google by cutting off all the Facebook accounts in Spain?
I'm glad to see so many Spaniards reject this law. This has nothing to do with fair use. News organizations benefit greatly from the traffic Google drives to their sites.
It is simply a money grab against a foreign company. Good job Google. Maybe Google, Microsoft and Apple should just stop offering services and products to some of these European countries.
Google is run by unabashed "progressives" which ironically is nothing like the root of the word progressive. The "News" offered in Google News is a farce. They control the dialogue with what stories they want to show you. I am not saying it is not an option but compare it to other news sites that slant to a conservative view and you cans see the bias. Do not be fooled.
Please seek a personal relationship with our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, the Son of God. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16
"That’s certainly nice money. But look at what it’s actually saying. Google News makes money for Google as a search referral site to other parts of Google. Excellent, that’s just fine. But given what is being aggregated in Google News clearly and obviously by far the largest portion of traffic is going to be referrals to those news sites. All of which have their own ads on their own pages and thus they profit from the traffic that Google News sends them."
It's a bit like a restaurant charging the taxi drivers a fee to bring customers, because the taxi drivers need customers who need transport. then when the taxi drivers say they'll simply stop offering that journey, asking the courts to force them not to withdraw that service!
Still interested on: Remove Spanish publishers from Google News worldwide so they won't appear onto, keeping spanish publisher in natural results?... Thanks.
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Así nos luce el pelo. Gracias Rajao.
ReplyDeleteVery sad. It is disaster for the PR sector, as Google News is our main tool to collect pieces of coverage from our clients. Sure, we can (and we do) rely on the "normal" searches, as well as other paid services for that task, but honestly, Google News always was extremely useful.
ReplyDeleteAEDE (Spanish Association of Daily Newspaper Publishers) is to blame.
ReplyDeleteWell done Google. If the Spanish government and old-style media want to go back to the Middle Age, this is what they will get. I really hope they come to their senses and suspend that nonsense law.
ReplyDeleteWell done Google. If the Spanish government and old-style media want to go back to the Middle Age, this is what they will get. I really hope they come to their senses and suspend that nonsense law.
ReplyDeleteWell done! The Spanish media lobby deserves the future consequences of this decision and hopefully they will learn something about how the internet works after all...
ReplyDeleteComo español, y usuario de google news, siento el cierre de este servicio, y todo por culpa de una ley estúpida que solo busca recaudar dinero. Gran decisión por parte de google de cerrar el servicio y no colaborar en esta estafa.
ReplyDeleteIt's really a very sad day for internet in Spain. He has won the greed of some media and the shortsightedness of the government. And the worst of all it's that every media, blog, big or small, etc are going to be the real losers.
ReplyDeleteDisgusting. With a government like this one, corrupted to the marrow, you can't expect anything better.
ReplyDeleteThis law is product of the accepted corruption in the government and its efforts to silence traditional media by providing them policy-making favors.
Too bad that the publishers lobby pressuring the gov't for this law never understood that it will hurt them in the long run.
This seems like a very dumb law... The Spanish links will not only be removed from google news, but even places like Facebook and news portals like dailyslate.com bad news for everyone!
ReplyDeletehttps://vimeo.com/m/35927275
ReplyDeleteBikes Mean Business!
ReplyDeleteWelcomecyclists.com
Canalcitycycle.com
Ontariobybike.org
We, the spanish citizens, are also against that crazy law.
ReplyDeleteNow you should also desindex all the newspapers that belong to that lobby called AEDE. They don't want to appear on Google without being payed (while they spent thousands in SEO).
ReplyDeleteVery sad news, but it's a natural side efect of that law.
ReplyDeleteI hope the law will soon be retired when our goverment see they have made that amount of damage (to everyone) and exactly 0 profit.
Will be avaliable the news and posts from Spain in Google News from any other country?
Well, I for one, love Google News. It's an egalitarian way to access news around the world without having to sift through several news sites. Pity the Spanish public will lose access, I guess some folks like to cut off their nose to spite their face.
ReplyDeleteWell, I for one, love Google News. It's an egalitarian way to access news around the world without having to sift through several news sites. Pity the Spanish public will lose access, I guess some folks like to cut off their nose to spite their face.
ReplyDeleteThe Spanish newspapers association (AEDE) will cry for this. Well done Google, that's the way. :D
ReplyDeleteLos legisladores, analfabetos digitales que quieren ordeñar una vaca que no es suya.
ReplyDeleteCuando se den cuenta de las pérdidas que van a tener los medios (TODOS) será demasiado tarde.
El resultado será el exilio de los medios a otros países no tan miopes.
It's really sad indeed! Our politicians and publishers in Spain have a serious problem understanding how citizens use the Internet and how they can take advantage of it. That's why we have to cope with laws like this that make no sense at all. I hope they eventually realize they are wrong and repeal such rule.
ReplyDeleteSad news for the spanish user but great reaction on your part. That law is the silliest i've ever seen and it will turn against the ones who created it :)
ReplyDeleteWelcome to CorruptLand
ReplyDeleteThat's a sad story. In my country Media is fourth pillar of democracy. Sometimes we find media voice of people.
ReplyDelete¿Tendrían la amabilidad de ofrecer su comunicado en castellano (español) al tratarse de una noticia que afecta básicamente a los usuarios de España?
ReplyDeleteGracias.
We, the people from Spain who are interested in technology, freedom and information, fell very sad about this particular thing and, in general, for this shameless and reactionary goverment of thieves we have that is triying hard to get Spain in to the 19th century (or later) again. Please, don't identify this corrupt goberment with the people of Spain. I think, if we are not so stupid, this people will never rule the country again.
ReplyDeleteEs un país de Tontos!
DeleteNo se quiens son mas tontos,
los Tontos que "mandan", o
los tontos que se dejan mandar por Tontos!?
I hope if AEDE media wants to be indexed again by googlenews (as in Germany occurs), Google ask for a regular payment from them for the service.....
ReplyDeleteMaybe one should consider a view from the other side of the story. Google is a huge company which dominates the search market in a way never seen before. This may be the result of good work by the Google engineers, but the whole Google business is based on information they do not own or create. Google claims that the news media which deliver content to Google, get traffic to their pages in return. But it is worth a discussion wether the traffic which Google gives to the news contributors equals the worth the news contributors give to Google. This is highly doubtable. In Germany Google makes an annual revenue of estimated 3.5 to 4 billion € per year, while all news pages together make around 500 millions a year, less than 15% of the Google revenue. Okay, Google does not make its revenues solely out of news, but getting the latest news is a very important reason for using Google. I want to know if the wife of King Feilipe is pregnant - I search in Google and expect to get some search results in credibile media. Google claims that they deliver you the best answer to everything you want to know. Should Google exclude all relevant media pages from their search results, Google would lose much of its usefulness. Google behaves as if they could not afford to pay their sources. This is not true. They are bathing in money - for sure they can afford. They could also afford to pay a considerable amount of taxes in the countries they are operating in. It is a shame that they do not to that.
ReplyDeleteThumbs up! ... there will and there was a time before and after google news. Meta search engines filtered by news sources wasnt an invention by google - maybe just a fault by krishna bharat that he didnt know about existing news search engines... engines that are not existing anymore because Google forced his market power to kill other competitors - in a way that is completly unfair - or what would google say about an advertising system that enables the advertiser to place free commercial ads and where the publisher earns three time more like on adsense? no advertise and no publisher would use the google eco system...
DeleteThis is a foolish position Frank as publishers do not have to allow Google to index and link to their content. Yet they volunteer to do so of their own free will. If someone gives YOU something for free should you be compelled by the Government to pay them? That is silly.
DeleteI think you misunderstood everything or just didn't read the article at all. Google Search, the profitable service, is not going down in Spain. What's going down is Google News, which doesn't have ads and isn't profitable. Of course Google News adds value to Google, but not money, and that's one of the reasons why it's not viable to pay AEDE's members. I think other reason could be to make an statement, but that's another issue. The other thing you seam to misunderstand is how Google spiders work. If some site doesn't want some of its pages indexed by Google Search, it is just a matter of configuring robots.txt to not allow indexing of these pages. Of course it's like shooting their own feet, but it is simple as that.
DeleteBravo! for Google, a defeat for those who try to set limits to the Internet.
ReplyDeleteTo spanish readers: install AEDE blocker (Chrome extension) and join the fight:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/aede-blocker/olfbaiingdbeoihdemklgmakblhcgpmn?hl=es
sure it is related with the fact that Google Spain pay most of its taxes in Ireland and not in Spain.
ReplyDeleteThey declare losts in Spain, but at the same time the billing is more than 50million Euro
http://economia.elpais.com/economia/2014/09/24/actualidad/1411571288_898242.html
What do you expect from a corrupt and negligent government ??? The whole Spain is a shame. As always happens in this country, when they want to change the nosense laws, it is too late. We are leading by incompetent people. OUTRAGED !!!!!
ReplyDeleteLa triste realidad..
DeleteIn a Democracy the people receive the kind of government that they deserve.
ReplyDeletehttps://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/aede-blocker/olfbaiingdbeoihdemklgmakblhcgpmn?hl=es
Touche!
DeleteBan for AEDE Adware accounts!!! xDDDDD
ReplyDeleteHay veces que siento vivir en el año 1549. Gobernantes dinosaurios, cuando no entienden una tecnologia la prohiben o la acotan. Pero amigos, no hay quien le ponga barreras a internet , esta mas que demostrado.
ReplyDeleteAnd What happens to Softonic?. Why every time I tried to find a Software, Google ALWAYS show me several Softonic pages on search results and the same query.
ReplyDeleteThey are distributing adware and toolbars.
De un gobierno de imbéciles y corruptos sólo pueden esperarse leyes imbéciles fruto de esa corrupción. Espero que ésta decisión de Google ayude a barrer de la faz de la Tierra a éstos impresentables. Bien hecho, Google, espero que volváis pronto.
ReplyDeleteWell done, Google.
ReplyDeleteNow, if you could remove AEDE publishers from the search results, THAT would be awesome. Expect them at your door crying.
In Spain we have a saying, en el pecado llevan la penitencia (In the sin they carry the penance). The editor's guild that has shamelessly lobbied the government will be gravely hurt by its own blind greed.
ReplyDeleteThis law is totally unfair, as it does away with citation rights, which have been always fallen under "fair use".
ReplyDeleteMoreover, it states that compensation to media is compulsory and non renounceable. This was made to avoid a situation similar to that in Germany, where many publishers renounced so as not to lose links and traffic from G News.
Also, the compensation is supposed to be set and managed by some obscure media association, a setup not unlike SGAE´s (Spanish RIAA) racket.
Finally, it jeopardises the existance of local media agregators like Meneame (spanish Digg.com), services like Flipboard and Pulse and is so ambiguous that it is not clear if it is applicable to services like Twitter and Facebook.
If the government believes that Google is abusing its domininant position (a legitimate concern), that should be a matter of the Competence Authorities (which, by the way, have already officially expressed their opposition to this law)
There´s one thing for sure, I´ll be reading far less Spanish media once news.google.es is shut down.
Finally, I´m making use of the once uncontested citation right to recommend and excellent article on the matter (in spanish) by Menéame´s founder:
http://www.elmundo.es/tecnologia/2014/05/29/5386c92922601d7c3f8b456a.html
Da vergüenza ser español hoy en día, debemos de ser el hazmerreir de toda Europa. Sólo vamos en cabeza en corrupción y pobreza, y en la cola en calidad de democracia. Nuestros políticos son mezquinos y unos incompetentes. No saben el tiro en el pie que se han dado con esta ley, aquí perdemos todos. La culpa es de AEDE y del gobierno del PP y de todos los que han apoyado esta ley. Ashamed to be spanish :(
ReplyDeleteSoy de España y tengo un medio en google en News.
ReplyDeleteMi pregunta es, SI VIVIMOS EN DEMOCRACIA, PORQUE NO SE HA PREGUNTADO A TODOS LOS USUARIOS DE NEWS EN ESPAÑA ANTES DE SACAR UNA LEY QUE ACABARÁ CON PUESTOS DE TRABAJO?
Que verguenza de país, estoy indignado. Yo no quiero ese canon o impuesto y ahora me quedo sin visitas. This is Spain, politicuchos caciques franquistas que solo quieren cobrar impuestos para llevárselos a Suiza. Bien hecho por parte de google, pero esperemos que se acabe pronto y cedan los Hitlerianos y Franquistas que "gobiernan" España.
Soy de España y tengo un medio en google en News.
ReplyDeleteMi pregunta es, SI VIVIMOS EN DEMOCRACIA, PORQUE NO SE HA PREGUNTADO A TODOS LOS USUARIOS DE NEWS EN ESPAÑA ANTES DE SACAR UNA LEY QUE ACABARÁ CON PUESTOS DE TRABAJO?
Que verguenza de país, estoy indignado. Yo no quiero ese canon o impuesto y ahora me quedo sin visitas. This is Spain, politicuchos caciques franquistas que solo quieren cobrar impuestos para llevárselos a Suiza. Bien hecho por parte de google, pero esperemos que se acabe pronto y cedan los Hitlerianos y Franquistas que "gobiernan" España.
Se le deberían caer la cara de vergüenza a los qué llevaron adelante esta ley.
ReplyDeleteQue verguenza de país, estoy indignado. Yo no quiero ese canon o impuesto y ahora me quedo sin visitas. This is Spain, politicuchos caciques franquistas que solo quieren cobrar impuestos para llevárselos a Suiza. Bien hecho por parte de google, pero esperemos que se acabe pronto y cedan los Hitlerianos y Franquistas que "gobiernan" España.
ReplyDeletePlease remove all AEDE member's website from google index, this will make them pay for what they have done lobbing with spanish goverment
ReplyDeleteWhy not also remove Spanish publication sites from Google Search? After all, they could also charge that searches that turn up their content will also need payment.
ReplyDelete(once again) my hat's off to Google. Thanks for the service while it lasted.
ReplyDeleteSigned: a Spaniard fed up with Spanish policies.
Well, apart of those blaming law and so, I would like to ask something related to this:
ReplyDelete"we’ll remove Spanish publishers from Google News, and close Google News in Spain."
1) Will you remove all Spanish publishers?
2) Will you remove spanish publishers from Google News worldwide so they won't appear onto, f.ex. in Google News Argentina?
3) Will you keep spanish publisher in organic results? With or without QDF?
Thank you!
:-(
ReplyDeleteEsperemos que España cambie su estupida ley!
One more step in spanish goverment corruption
ReplyDeleteThe ultraconservative Spanish government is as a nightmare on Genova Street.
ReplyDeleteThis is other crazy law from the Francoist authors of "you have to pay by use solar energy".
I'm curious to see how this will do in the long term and I have to disagree with you on one thing : google news doesn't help newspapers to build their leadership, it helps google to build its own leadership/monopoly before switching to a non-free business model.
ReplyDeleteAs always the important information is the one not written.
Cuando el afán recaudador de los 'insaciables en términos económicos', es impredecible, pues No existe otra opción que condenar esta actitud, puesto que perjudica no sólo a los intereses de Google, sino que también perjudica a todos los ciudadanos que utilizamos los servicios de los editores de Google. ¡¡ Basta ya de tanta ambición recaudadoraq !!
ReplyDeleteHow sad that Google can't continue to make money on content that others have produced. Tell me, O' disruptive innovators of Silicon Valley, does news not cost any money to produce? Do the reporters work for free?
ReplyDeleteOf course having to pay even the tiniest price for content is so very, very not sustainable, poor little Google just cannot afford it. You could of course use a tiny fraction of all your illicit gains from tax dodging to pay the content producers? Or just not include the snippets and use just the headline? Or would it be that horrible for Google if news publishers would get advertisement revenue on their own sites for their own content?
Sed consecuentes con vuestras ideas y bloquead de vuestro buscador todos los resultados que envien a los medios de comunicación que apoyen esta aberración contra la información y robo hacía el pobre ciudadano español, cada vez más ahogado en impuestos, cada vez con menos empleo, con menos futuro, con menos libertad, pero más y más impuestos. Sois muchísimos más poderosos que los lamentables medios de comunicación españoles y podeis hacer medidas de presión muy superiores a esta (que os lo agradecemos de corazón, muchísimas gracias por todo lo que google ofrece) Retirad google adds a estos medios de comunicación tambien sería una jugada maestra. Son medios que caeran y morirán por su propio peso, la gente joven apenas vemos la televisión, usamos internet para informarnos, para nuestro ocio, incluso para nuestras relaciones, y Google es sinónimo de internet. Si de verdad vais a echar un pulso a este grupo de sinvergüenzas tened por seguro que vais a ganar y que tendreis todo nuestro apoyo. Una vez más, gracias.
ReplyDeleteHopefully the US government will soon split Google into several companies to avoid the quasi monopoly the company now holds globally without paying proper taxes --"Do no evil" is a a moral statement, not a legal one, on that count Google has deceived its users. Google News might not profit directly, but other services do, enormously, profiting from other people's work. Read Lanier.
ReplyDeleteban the newspapers from search results too or they will try to bill google
ReplyDeleteGreat decision. Waiting to the spanish government do a "german step back" with the law... :-)
ReplyDeleteThe Spanish governement is retarded.
ReplyDeleteInstead of making them pay a tax for this particular service, they should do the same UK has done. Make Google pay taxes in Spain instead of letting them do it in Ireland.
As a Spanish internet user since 1993, I support Google 100%. Our country has been hijacked by retards without any formation, coming from backgrounds (if any) like construction or lawyers without other experience than that of their own political party. They are very nervous and try to control something they don't understand (go figure, no one in our government speaks English, they are happy in their torero and siesta world).
ReplyDeleteI suggest Google to de-index all news sites also from the main search engine, to at most post a link to the newspaper homepage, and just wait 5 days until our government shamelessly revoke the law.
Newspapers like www.20minutos.es, that license ALL THEIR CONTENT under Creative Commons License, are outraged because this is a true censorship and the European Union should ban it right away.
Keep up the good work, Google!
1. Mantener Google News sin noticias originadas en medios españoles.
ReplyDelete2. Eliminar de los resultados de Google cualquier referencia a páginas web de medios españoles.
1. Keep Google News without nows with origin in spaniards news companies.
2. Delete any Google results of spaniards news companies.
Well done, Google. Just keep in mind this law has nothing to do with Spanish people, it's just something cooked by politicians and editors, and a consequence of some lobby pressure. Spanish internet users we're hoping to get this service back once this crazy law gets ruled out. Hope that happens soon.
ReplyDeleteCongratulations Google.
ReplyDeleteAs a user of Google News I believe it's a great source of news. My daily dose when I was looking for some news. I will continue using the other international sources and will read less spanish media. They will be really affected for this measure and loose a lot of revenue and traffic that was coming to their websites through Google News.
Hope with a change of goverment this new will be pushed back.
Google doesn't make any money on news? That's not what Marissa Mayer said. She said the site was worth $100m because it kept people coming to Google.
ReplyDeletehttp://fortune.com/2008/07/22/whats-google-news-worth-100-million/
@"and the vast majority choose to be included for very good reason"
ReplyDeleteThe good reason beeing that Google has monopoly on access to information and on deciding who is seen and who is not seen in the Internet. It's like surrendering to a terrorist for a "very good reason" that you want to survive.
Even if it's not obvious, it is in fact a VERY GOOD THING (sorry to be the "bad guy").
ReplyDeleteLet's think about it for a few seconds: news cost money - at least to pay professional journalists. Newspapers -either paper or digital- are the ONLY WAY until now to get money from buyer to pay journalists (please: don't talk about "advertising"). But if people keep on reading news for free on google-news and without buying newspaper, who will pay for journalists???
On the other side, Google doesn't really give news "for free"... but "for datas about readers"... datas used to sell adversitising. So, in this game, Google earn YOUR DATAs and journalists and newspaper earn nothing!!! This can't be a sustainable model for the news ecosystem... at least if you want honnest news from independant journalists and not only company-PR news...
YMMV
(a FRENCH sometimes google-news reader)
Really sad what´s happening in Spain.
ReplyDeleteGoogle does what spanish government deserves.
Maybe one day digital liberty will come back to Spain. But till now, black dawn is all we have.
Regards to all honest bloggers and publishers.
Es una forma como otra de frenar a Podemos. Ahora Rajoy se puede centrar en controlar los grandes medios.
ReplyDeleteThat is what happens when a government wants the control of the media and they accepted...
ReplyDelete¡¡2015 year of elections, welcome to the media war!!
Todavía no se ha llegado entender hasta qué nivel puede afectar esta Ley. Google News es una de las afectadas, pero realmente los más afectados somos los ciudadanos, pues dejaremos de ver por canales multidisciplinares enlaces a noticias por el mero hecho de que legalmente es preciso pagar por ellas, y mucha de la información ofrecida en Internet es libre y gratuita, y más en lo referente a las noticias.
ReplyDeleteCreo que deberían haber acordado la posibilidad de renuncia al cobro del canon, y de esta forma lo más seguro es que los grandes medios hubiesen renunciado a este derecho, pues más pierden ellos al perder una forma gratuita de publicidad.
Esta es solo una de ellas pero, ¿alguien nota también demasiadas incoherencias en muchas de las nuevas Leyes que se publican últimamente?
I like Google News as well but it's a bit disconcerting how much 3rd party content is now being displayed on the news page, as well as the normal search page. Over recent years Google has begun to move from simply displaying relevant links to actually displaying the content from these sites. Do a search for currency conversions and you get a converter directly on the Google results. Search for Alexander Hamilton and you will receive content about him pulled from Wikipedia without even having to go to Wikipedia's website. Most content providers, Wikipedia not included, make their revenue from traffic to the site. If people can view their content without ever having to leave Google then they are basically giving away their product for free. Google should work to make sure content providers are adequately compensated and not strong-arm them by removing their sites from the worlds largest search engine. Maybe if all countries do as Spain has done they will be forced to come up with a compromise that protects journalists and publishers as there would be no Google News without these people.
ReplyDeleteI am SO glad I'm planning to move out of this hellhole country soon. I fail to understand how people can let their rights be trampled on just because of greedy corporations and stupid politicians...
ReplyDeleteI am very glad that Google is going to remove their listings.
ReplyDeleteI think they should Google should also charge all Spanish Government and Media Websites a yearly fee of Ten Million Euros each if they want to have their website to be listed in the Google Search Engine.
The Spanish politicians are basically trying to control the internet which goes against all the principles of freedom.
Their desire is greater than sense and will backfire spectacularly in an economic way.
Google News is a fantastic service and I use it every day.
I fully support Google in their stance.
Fault of AEDE and the spanish goverment. We'll see in a few months how the goverment abolish that stupid law or we should "compensate" AEDE for their "loses" (as with Castor, yep).
ReplyDeleteAs a suggestion, maybe it is a good idea to check the legal problems involved in google news and analyze the spanish intellectual property law, international WIPO treaties on copyright and some case law from the ECJ. this is not an easy question and in order to build an objective opinion you should check the exclusive rights confer to authors, for instance the exclusive right of reproduction, communication to the public....
ReplyDeleteI am not saying that this is a good solution to this conflict but people cannot just criticise without any knowledge of copyright.
JUSTE. BRAVO.
ReplyDeleteBTW google check out softonic.com search results
ReplyDeletehttp://humbertomondejargonzalez.blogspot.com/2014/11/139-acabo-de-descubrir-el-principal.html
ReplyDeleteAcabo de descubrir el principal truco lucrativo y de cierta forma "parasitaria", del “agregador de noticias” Meneame. Su "Tasa Google".
Welcome to S-Pain...
ReplyDeleteWelcome to S-pain...
ReplyDeleteI love how Google always plays the innocent victim, yet behind the scenes behaves like a run-of-the-mill monopoly. Sure, they maybe make no money off of the snippets indirectly, but that's not to say the service doesn't drive traffic to sites which they get some ad revenue etc. The Spanish Law, while may or may not be the most sustainable choice, at least on the surface looks like it is meant to protect someone else's interests (i.e. besides Google's).
ReplyDeleteWhat do you expect from a nation that effectively taxes sunshine (i.e., install solar cells and you must pay a tax on electricity your own property generates)?
ReplyDeleteWell -- you are all upset about this, but one day when your entire lives are mechanized and you are nothing but a mere bot, you will appreciate Spain staying Spain, where afternoon nap is more important than a 3 hour meeting in the afternoon after the pasta I was fed at the free company cafeteria is putting me to sleep anyways.
ReplyDeleteGood News..... who needs them... Google news is a compilation of articles from any source that agrees with there ideology. Google censors what is available in their search and ignores any information deemed inappropriate (as they will likely do to this post). Major news stories are ignored in preference to what THEY wish to trend. A willing and most able promoter of the progressive movement trying to build a new world order using the same methods as communist China while decrying China's use of the same style censorship. Ironic but really unimportant as no one who looks for information on the issues of today seeks answers from google anyway.
ReplyDeleteGoogle could start to pay taxes in Spain for a change...
ReplyDeleteMillions of euros evaded from google adwords and other services go straight from Spain to Ireland, but you claim that Google News is not sustainable.
hypocrisy!
I see several comments saying Google unfairly takes from the news sites and therefore the spanish law is justified. That may very well be true. in fact, I think Google does benefit disproportionally from other peoples work. But this logic fails to consider that the news creators themselves should decide what Google can do with their intellectual property. Not a spanish bureaucrat.
ReplyDeleteGoogle is a political arm of the US Democrat party. It has consistently removed url's from conservative news outlets without explanation. Google News is biased. It intentionally lacks full context to a news story. It decides what is news and what is not news. I applaud the Spanish government for cracking down on these fascist media giants.
ReplyDeleteWow. Charge to link to news? Just - wow!
ReplyDeleteDoes this mean that aggregates like Drudge will have to pay up or shut down?
ReplyDeletelo que google tiene que hacer es banear para siempre a todos los integrates de aede, tanto del news como del buscador asi como cuaquier enlace que aunte a sus dominios
ReplyDeleteCan anyone clarify what they mean by 'shutting down Google News in Spain'?
ReplyDeleteI live in Spain and use news.google.co.uk. Google aren't going to block my Spanish IP address are they??? I'll still be able to use Google News (just not see any Spanish publications)?
Socialists are always looking for new ways to rip off people and companies. They don't think about or care about the consequences, and they spend the 'projected' money before they get it. They ASSume Google will just pay it.
ReplyDeleteIn the US, cities have put huge taxes on cigarettes, and spend the projected revenue. They don't understand that people have choices, and some will choose to buy their cigarettes outside of the city where they can save 20% or more.
Simple... someone in in New York or Miami or Mountain View needs to create a newspaper about local issues in Spain all "publishing" to be done in the U.S. Sign up some "foreign" correspondants who happen to live in Madrid and Barcelona. Problem solved !
ReplyDeleteLinks are what make the web work.
ReplyDeleteI don't understand why anyone would want to pull links to their own site. In their greed and ego they are only destroying themselves.
Well done Google! Now let's see how long will their stubbornness lasts
ReplyDeleteYo os hago una propuesta, seguid mostrando medios cuya licencia de información sea CC (Creative Commons), y otros medios que aunque no tengan licencia CC os permitan gratuitamente compartir su información dando su permiso a través de un registro del mismo servicio de Google News...
ReplyDeleteYo os hago una propuesta, seguid mostrando medios cuya licencia de información sea CC (Creative Commons), y otros medios que aunque no tengan licencia CC os permitan gratuitamente compartir su información dando su permiso a través de un registro del mismo servicio de Google News...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.spikytech.com
ReplyDeleteMás información :) |��
Couldn't they just charge $0.01 for a one hundred year period for the news?
ReplyDeletehey guys stop blaming europe goverments etc... , you wanna know why spains, and almost every country in europe is starting to put laws like that, becouse thanks to greedy google and theis fiscality engineers they pay almost nothing in taxes in europe. that is what is really embarrasing, and they came as a freedom liberty and you loose spanish, in this communicate, come on google, come ooooon.
ReplyDeleteI wish the media in Spain good luck. Hope someday the government of Spain will realize how much of a lost the government has brought it's media.
ReplyDeleteAs if the dinosaur isn't dying fast enough already.
ReplyDeleteComing soon to another Socialist country near you...
ReplyDeleteNext time you support a minimum wage law remember this law and Google's reaction. This is nothing more than a minimum wage law for news. And what you get in response is no news at all. Hope you're happy.
ReplyDeleteSpanish government is taking us towards ... Middle Age again.
ReplyDeleteSo who reads google news anyway?
ReplyDeleteToday Google reclaimed some of its lost street cred.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if you will stand up to Washington likewise.
Having to protect ones privacy is boring and time consuming. ¿Who let the NSA ruin The Internet?
LOL
ReplyDeleteIn about a year people will be saying:
"Spain? Oh yeah, wasn't that some little failing communist country? Haven't heard anything about them in a year. Must've gone bankrupt again."
There are many search engine websites to choose from. And some sites will not track you or record your IP address and give it to the NSA. Ixquick and duckduckgo will respect your privacy, google does NOT respect your privacy.
ReplyDeleteComing to a country near you (you know which one)if net neutrality passes.
ReplyDeleteseems like the unemployment rate would soon climb to 35%.
ReplyDeletesuch a beautiful country with amazing people but i am sorry to say that this is what destiny awaits for us.
we've to change our mind and think out of the box and only then we would start to say the rat of hope and prosperity
Genius politicians who invented the Internet should fix its micropayments/rights problems , not just ban actions that may be useful to wider society in finding information. It will not affect politicians because they can pay their PR staff to find news stories.
ReplyDeleteWake up sleepers; this is part of government restricting your access to information.
ReplyDeleteNotice that the main hit is on small news sources and bloggers - and who do you think is most likely to raise questions about the government?
The answer is obvious: Small news sources and bloggers aren't sold-out to the government. One look at America's MSM tells the story; the MSM is one long cover-up of government criminality.
It is the "alternative" web-based media that are breaking the big stories, and revealing what is actually happening in the world.
Frankly, I'm amazed that the Spanish people haven't pulled a repeat of the French Revolution and brought out the guillotines to use on the corrupt politicians that have turned your nation into a cesspool of poverty.
Seriously, how can you allow these sell-outs of the best for Spain in favor of their own personal wealth from the world's oligarchs, and criminal banksters?
The "Silence of the Spanish" - led like lambs to the Euro slaughter will go down in history as an inexplicable surrender of a people to a small elite of self-centered, psychotic sociopaths who could not care less about the life and dignity of the nation's population.
Remember, in every formation of dictatorship, the first casualties are the sources of freedom through information.
By allowing this law, you have surrendered yourselves to slavery.
You took the chains, and closed the locks with your own hands.
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Concentrators do have an impact on the national discussion and can influence public opinion. If Spanish national government can't control it, then that's it then isn't it?
ReplyDeleteFrom the home of the last inqusition.
ReplyDeleteNice... online since 1999 with original content (news & interviews) and now this... More than 50% of our traffic come from Google (& GoogleNews) (we don´t have ads and our sponsors don´t look for 'hits' but that´s disgusting) :\
ReplyDeleteRelevant to the conversation here: Google is bad, Spain bad, nobody cares
ReplyDeleteYes, Google "News" doesn't make any money but their ad targeting division makes a HUGE amount of money on this kind of stuff. If you notice the Google press release cleverly says "as google news itself makes no money..."
ReplyDeleteThat said, does the Spanish government need to protect spanish news groups from their own stupidity?
Apparently so..
If Google wants to report the news, they should hire journalists. Newspapers and journalism is going down because of so-called "news organizations" stealing/linking the news paid journalists are writing.
ReplyDeleteGood job Spain!
The brains is Spain have gone completely lame.
ReplyDeleteIf I jumped in a cab and asked the driver where I could buy some pants and the driver suggested some stores, I picked one, then the taxi drove me to there, does that store deserve a cut of the taxi driver's income? Absolutely not. The store should pay the taxi driver for driving a customer to their store.
ReplyDeletePretty quickly they will find their news sites with few customers because Google will no longer be driving customers to them.
I buy almost everything except food and clothing from online auctions most people aren’t aware of the almost I unbelievable deals that they can get from online auction sites the site that has the best deals is
ReplyDelete>>> W w w,saveslam,C0M
I checked with the BBB and was told that it is all legit. How they can sell gift cards, laptops, cameras, and all kinds of goodies that we all want for 50-90% off, I don’t know I do know that I bought my son an ipad there for less than $100 and my husband a $250 Low gift cards for $48. Why would I even think about shopping anyþlace else ?
I buy almost everything except food and clothing from online auctions most people aren’t aware of the almost I unbelievable deals that they can get from online auction sites the site that has the best deals is
ReplyDelete>>> W w w,saveslamC0M
I checked with the BBB and was told that it is all legit. How they can sell gift cards, laptops, cameras, and all kinds of goodies that we all want for 50-90% off, I don’t know I do know that I bought my son an ipad there for less than $100 and my husband a $250 Low gift cards for $48. Why would I even think about shopping anyþlace else ?
Wow, Google News is one of my favorite sites.....glad I don't live in Spain.......DUMDUMDUM!
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Very sad news :( i hope google dont close Google News in Indonesia
ReplyDeleteDescerebrados..
ReplyDeleteThis will be the fastest reversed law of all time
ReplyDeleteFor the (very few) people claiming that Google can and should pay for the snippets: Google is a company, so its target are profits. If paying the publishers in Spain was going to generate a sustainable profit (direct or indirect), they would have paid the fees. I may be wrong, but IMO, shutting down News in Spain seems a clear proof that the request was not reasonable.
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ReplyDeleteWell done Google. I love Google News but I understand the close of service in Spain.
I feel ashamed of my government
YOU HAVE THE SAME GOVERNMENT PROBLEMS AS WE DO HERE IN THE USA.
ReplyDeleteWHY DO
THE CITIZENS ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN AND THEN SOON 'DICTATORSHIP' BECAUSE WE CAN'T STOP THEM. IS THIS HOW HISTORY WORKS?
I´m also ashamed on this.
ReplyDeleteAll my support to the news team, I hope this nonsense will end soon.
This is why Spain in particular, but Europe in general, have become less and less relevant over the last two centuries. Rather than adjust business models to the new dynamics of technology, these are the people who would compel customers to continue buying buggy-whips long after they'd lost their usefulness. Sadly, of late, it seems that the US will soon head this direction too, and what you discover is that a bunch of old goons who have cronies in government serve only themselves, while the brighter, younger, folk who have the better ideas lack only the philosophical clarity and consistency to defeat them.
ReplyDeleteEurope has tried to salvage its relevance through forming the EU, but that's a shoddy, self-defeating model. Just as Spain is one of the boat-anchors that will drag the EU under, so is it a key indicator of the direction the old gang will take things.
I am not personally a big fan of Google or Google News, finding their bias much to my disliking, but I also know that the sorts of laws that are made to control, like this preposterous law, do nothing but damage to all concerned in the long run. Spain and any news emanating from within it will have become less relevant to the world, and its citizens will look to offshore sources for news and information. Their best and their brightest will rightly flee to other venues. Spain will find itself descending into the muck of an historical bog, taking its unwilling populace with it, where decay, already the dominant economic force, will combine with a social and cultural rot to completely wreck a nation.
Is there anything interesting happening in Spain today? The answer will soon be, to all those outside its borders: "Who knows?" Not long after, it will change to "Who cares?"
These are the laws formulated by the old mindsets within a nation in firm and final decline. I beg of my fellow Americans to take note, and learn. Lately, we've been doing much the same.
Richard Gingras, a plea from a spanish user:
ReplyDeleteGive it some time to our ignorant government, in order to understand about the real consequences of this law. The newspapers associated with the greedy AEDE are going to suffer an important loss of traffic and, you know: money ALWAYS talks. For some PR companies, the closure of Google News is going to be dramatic.
So please, again: do not **forget** Spain, do not close the door and be patient.
Thank you very much.
As one poster mentioned earlier this is not a Google specific law, we are just reading their response. Any site who posts a link to a news article would be taxed. That is insane, but for our friends in Spain we did enjoy having you participate in the world wide information exchange until this point.
ReplyDeleteOn a side note, does this mean I can't ask Geeves anything while in Spain for fear of a tax man showing up?
I am about sick of social dictatorships in Europe constantly attacking good companies like Google and Amazon.
ReplyDeleteThese corporations actually create jobs and wealth within Europe.
Why should they pay tax to a government to waste and squander when the company can use the money to give another person a good job.
I have spoken to my friends about this and all of them support Google and not the governments.
If a company has to pay £100 000 tax bill and they say, well we can actually give a person a job with that money, the nasty EU politicians would rather deny the person a job and condemn them to a life of socialist benefits.
The EU is motivated by hatred of success rather than doing what is actually good for people.
Google is completely right to stand up to the Spanish politicians.
Spain is not the only country in Europe aiming for Google. The EU commission is even talking about "breaking up" Google in a completely misguided attempt to "protect" European companies that don't even exist. In fact it is likely that heavy behind the scenes lobbying of US competitors of Google is behind this, as there are many that have been a lot less successful with their search engines. The internet is one of the few things that have developed so fast that politicians and bureaucrats have been unable to regulate it to death yet, as they have done with almost every other industry. But they are trying to catch up now.
ReplyDeleteDoes Spain still exist? No matter. Spain was already totally irrelevant to the rest of the world. I believe news will be precisely the same, without them.
ReplyDeleteI wonder what the very foolish government in Spain is going to do when Facebook decides they should support Google by cutting off all the Facebook accounts in Spain?
ReplyDeleteI'm glad to see so many Spaniards reject this law. This has nothing to do with fair use. News organizations benefit greatly from the traffic Google drives to their sites.
ReplyDeleteIt is simply a money grab against a foreign company. Good job Google. Maybe Google, Microsoft and Apple should just stop offering services and products to some of these European countries.
Thank you Google for teaching them that the web is not their property!
ReplyDeleteKeep up the awesome work!
Google is run by unabashed "progressives" which ironically is nothing like the root of the word progressive. The "News" offered in Google News is a farce. They control the dialogue with what stories they want to show you. I am not saying it is not an option but compare it to other news sites that slant to a conservative view and you cans see the bias. Do not be fooled.
ReplyDeleteWell done, the actual government in Spain has no clue what is going on in the world and needs a good kick in the but...
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ReplyDeleteThe damage to Spain reputation Is enormous. Who in his right mind Is going to invest in a tech startup in Spain?
You never know when the Goverment Is going to greet you with a New tax.
Finally, I am starting to understand why the Catalans want to leave Spain
Greetings from a Spaniard that moved to London this year (Just in time)
Please seek a personal relationship with our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, the Son of God. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16
ReplyDeleteno good for our spanish blogs..
ReplyDeleteunfortunate for the tourist. last summer family went to Spain for 3 weeks and Google newswas very helpful to us and enhanced our experience
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theverge.com/2014/11/5/7160587/german-publisher-axel-springer-google-news
ReplyDeleteRegarding the $100M "value" of Google News...
ReplyDelete"That’s certainly nice money. But look at what it’s actually saying. Google News makes money for Google as a search referral site to other parts of Google. Excellent, that’s just fine. But given what is being aggregated in Google News clearly and obviously by far the largest portion of traffic is going to be referrals to those news sites. All of which have their own ads on their own pages and thus they profit from the traffic that Google News sends them."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/12/14/if-google-news-is-worth-100-million-then-why-cant-google-pay-the-newspaper-publishers/
It's a bit like a restaurant charging the taxi drivers a fee to bring customers, because the taxi drivers need customers who need transport.
ReplyDeletethen when the taxi drivers say they'll simply stop offering that journey, asking the courts to force them not to withdraw that service!
Thrse politicians know exactly what they are doing: getting donations for the funds of their next campaigns.
ReplyDeletenice info, thank for inormation
ReplyDeleteThanks to your information.
ReplyDeleteStill interested on: Remove Spanish publishers from Google News worldwide so they won't appear onto, keeping spanish publisher in natural results?... Thanks.
ReplyDeleteIts sad that Spain stopped this.
ReplyDeleteWhat about other new exaggerators in Spanish? Do they pay or need to pay publishers for having news on their site?